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This is the subreddit that got r/trufemcels banned. They would mass flag and post bannable content in subs they didn't like. For some odd reason they targeted r/trufemcels. Claiming it was transphobic, when honestly that was untrue. They were hellbent on mischaracterizing the sub as hatful. I was a member of r/trufemcels for years and never saw any transphobic posts. Maybe there was a rare transphobic comment, but that was in no way representative of the content on the sub. Anyway here's a link to the video. tell me what you think. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUV9TyfYaEQ&t=482s&ab_channel=AtavismDream

This is the subreddit that got r/trufemcels banned. They would mass flag and post bannable content in subs they didn't like. For some odd reason they targeted r/trufemcels. Claiming it was transphobic, when honestly that was untrue. They were hellbent on mischaracterizing the sub as hatful. I was a member of r/trufemcels for years and never saw any transphobic posts. Maybe there was a rare transphobic comment, but that was in no way representative of the content on the sub. Anyway here's a link to the video. tell me what you think. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUV9TyfYaEQ&t=482s&ab_channel=AtavismDream

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You know, kind of off topic, but can I just say, men are the ones that are violently transphobic to the point of so much as killing trans people and pose a more active threat to trans people and their lives (especially considering how much power they have when it comes to politics as well), and YET..."TERFS" are the ones that are apparently the "most evil"? I'm kind of confused. Has a woman or a "TERF" ever so much as killed a trans woman for secretly "being a man", like cis males have? NO. Cis men are the ones that commit 90% of the crimes, murders and make up the majority of the institutional power that determines whether or not things like sex-reassignment surgeries are made possible or not. Shouldn't the focus be on the men as opposed to the women who actually make some good points when it comes to the issue and how it ties in to feminism as a whole?

For the record, I'm not against trans people or trans rights. It's actually a topic I'm rather conflicted about because a lot of PinkPill Feminism + RadFem subs did actually have a lot of needlessly transphobic content I didn't agree with, but at the same time, pretending that there is no issue whatsoever when it comes to trans activism, is also incredibly ignorant.

Firstly, women are oppressed due to their "sex" and not "gender identity". The men in power that oppress and abuse those below them, don't give a damn about "gender identity", and this account for trans people too. Nobody is going to see a trans man and say "oh no that's a male and should get male privilege". No, they'll see that they were born as a certain sex at birth and treat them accordingly. This whole concept of "identifying" as a certain gender, also does feel like it kind of reinforces "gender roles" in a way. Meaning, a lot of women have to suffer from a lot of prejudices and biases against them solely for being born women, and accepting the fact that what makes them women is ultimately their "bodies" and not their "interests" or "personalities", helps alleviate a lot of misconstrued views on women along with internalized misogyny. Women face discrimination due to their biological sex at the end of the day, and while trans people do face problems, their in a vastly different league of discrimination than the type that biological women face. I also see a lot of people trying to enforce the notion that apparently you don't need "gender dysphoria" to be trans and it's lowkey terrifying. First of all, convincing people to transition when they aren't even uncomfortable in their own sex, can lead to disastrous consequences. There are many women and men who aren't tarns, but just gender non-conforming, and I'm afraid a lot of people may be quick to make the assumption that they could be "trans", despite not actually having dysphoria, which isn't a good thing either, and spreading this false notion is doing no favors to the trans community itself. I also think that there are certain places and certain times that "biological sex" should be taken into account above all else, because choosing to ignore it at all times is just irrational. If women don't feel comfortable sharing their spaces with trans women, then they have every right to feel that way. And yes, if a women ends up being abused and mistreated by a trans person, they absolutely should not be forced to call them by their preferred pronouns either and it shouldn't be brought up or questioned during a woman's time of trauma.

Overall though, I feel like I agree that liberal feminism when it comes to trans issues, can be way too extreme and not for the better. There is a way to discuss the issues surrounding this matter without coming off as extremists without any consideration for reality and the consequences of certain actions. Also yes, I too have never seen any actual transphobia on Trufemcels. The comments on trans people I did see, the majority were positive and supportive as opposed to the bigoted. Yes, a lot of us were on subs like FDS or GenderCritical or PinkPillFeminism, but even taking that into account, I still highly doubt the majority of us were transphobes regardless. Our discussion about lookism had almost nothing to ever do with trans people as a whole.

[–] SilverNova [OP] 5 points (+5|-0)

I feel like most the members of r/trufemcels were sympathetic to the trans community. Most women there have been discriminated against or bullied at some point in their life, and could relate on some level to the struggles of trans women. This is partly why I believe it was a betrayal for the trufemcel sub to be banned for transphobia, something that the vast majorly of people on the sub were against. Most trans women have body dysphoria, something trufemcels have a deep understanding of, considering many of them hate their own bodies/faces.

I don't know why r/AntiHateSubreddits decided to target r/Truefemcels when that have done close to nothing to hurt the trans community, in comparison to other groups, like Cis men. Maybe because trufemces was an easy target with little to no support form anyone, and stomping on them made them feel powerful. R/AntiHateSubreddits in my opinion, hurt more allies than they did stop TERFs.

I do agree that Biological women and Trans women do have individual issues and face discrimination differently. I personally don't believe any group of people should be free of criticism or critique, but I do believe it can be done in a non extreame and inoffensive manner. You raise some valid concerns that I think we should be able to discuss in a mature fashion. It is hurtful that Trans Activists seem to want to silence anyone who raises any concerns or questions about the trans community. I do believe that Bio women themselves are a vulnerable class of people in our society, in which our concerns are mostly out of fear of safety rather than bigotry. I personally have zero issues sharing a bathroom with trans women, and so far have never had an issue. I do know a few trans women in real life, and they have all been wonderful people. But I can certainly understand why Bio women have fears and doubts considering Bio women and girls are the main targets of sexual violence. I was not a fan of r/gendercritical, as I believe they were way too extreame with their beliefs in characterizing all trans people as predators, which I do not believe at all.

I agree with you on many points. It is a very complicated subject, but I do stand by my main belief that is, R/trufemcels was not transphobic, and was a place for women to discuss their unique life circumstance as an unattractive female. Which I believe is slightly different than an attractive female's. While all women face similar forms oppression and exploitations, I believe unattractive women experience the world differently and deserve a place to discuss their life with others. Lookism is a real issue that can affect people on many levels. Including their family life, friendships, work life, education, economic situation, romantic prospects, and many more. I am hurt that these women were silenced and deplatformed for something they didn't even do. I have anger towered the trans activists that targeted the community unfairly and unjustifiably. I believe it was cruelty to target a discriminated class of women to attack. I wish they would spend there time taking out real discrimination.

[–] linbeifongsimp 4 points (+4|-0)

YET..."TERFS" are the ones that are apparently the "most evil"? I'm kind of confused.

Lemme recommend you a book. It's called "Why Women are Blamed for Everything."

Hopefully now that the news of that admin that supports a pedophile got out, a lot of the banned subs will get unbanned.

[–] SilverNova [OP] 3 points (+4|-1)

That would be amazing. Unfortunately I don't see that happening. They only fired her because people found out what she did. Initially when people started catching on to what happened, reddit conspired with her to censor any info on her. They knew for weeks and instead of firing her, they protected her. They only acted because of bad PR. I believe they will continue to protect their own, no matter how toxic they are.

[–] uglywitch 0 points (+2|-2) Edited

We really need to stop calling men, let alone pedophile-adjacent men, "she" and "her". It's an insult to women. Challenor is a male. His crimes are not our crimes.

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[–] goldypound 4 points (+5|-1)

i did see some transphobic members but no transphobic content in the actual posts, even when trans issues did get discussed most of the upvoted comments were supportive. i won't deny that some members were part of thepinkpill subreddit which actively posted transphobic content but being an unattractive woman has nothing to do with transphobia in of itself, if anything we should work to support trans issues because terfs often end up attacking cis women because they look ''manly''

[–] SilverNova [OP] 1 points (+1|-0)

I'm sure that is true that there was a very small amount of transphobic comments. I think it's impossible to have none. There will always be hateful comments on the internet. Those comments should be reported and deleted. I agree that being an unattractive woman has nothing to do with transphobia. I agree that we should support trans issues. I don't think that r/trufemcels ever had a focus on trans issues, and was mostly about lookism in society, and the unique experience of being a unattractive female in this world.