I truly don't understand this. You try bringing up how lookism and pretty privilege affect ugly and pretty women and immediately get other radfems almost frothing at the mouth about how it's no privilege at all, and we are just being divisive; this isn't the 'pain olympics.' and I'm like bitch, why tf do we talk about white woman privilege then? Isn't it also 'divisive' or some shit? God, sometimes I feel like only femcel spaces are truly the most sane and safe for women to discuss ideas.
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Because most of them are attractive and aren't aware of the way that influences their life.
Many of them talk about how they refuse to wear makeup and assign to femininity whilst still being able to get into high earning male dominated careers whilst retaining their respect.
They think it's just their "attitude" whereas if an unattractive woman was to go about life in the same way it would get her nowhere.
Being able to not have to engage in performative femininity whilst still being able to retain your humanity as a woman is a privilege and a prospect most women do not have access to.
As an ugly black woman makeup is one of the tools I use that makes people see me as human. Without it I have to deal with so much antagonism from others it makes going about life much more of an arduous chore than it already is.
This is exactly why I wrote the post I wrote the other day about there being a conflict of interest between feminism and femceldom.
Plastic surgery and makeup will be the things that allow me to actually enjoy my life and I don't have the mental bandwidth to educate ignorant people on why that is.
I notice in a lot of radfem spaces online there's this stupid "purity" culture about makeup.
"I've never worn makeup in my entire life, and I only use bar soap on my face. No skincare. Oh you use moisturizer and mascara? You can't sit with us, dick worshipper." - conventionally attractive white woman. And a lot of them are just doing it for woke points. Like on Tumblr there were always conventionally attractive white radfems posting makeup free selfies showing off how much they don't need makeup because they aren't dick worshippers. Lmao.
The only place I've found where there are a couple of "radfems" who wear a little bit of makeup is TikTok. Imagine that, a platform where you actually have to show your face has more radfems who wear makeup. 🙄
Not even joking I once came across a radfem who claimed it was antifeminist and "libfem" to moisturize your chest area lmao. Obviously most aren't like that but...
I've definitely met a few who claimed using any moisturizer at all was part of catering to the male gaze lol. Guess me not wanting dry sandpaper skin means I worship dicks.
They're balanced-skin privileged LMAO. But seriously they've clearly never had serious skin health problems before.
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What's funny is so many radfems on places like Twitter complain about women who wear makeup while simultaneously denying pretty privilege exists. If you won't put in the work to help ugly women become less discriminated against, why should they stop doing the one thing that slightly helps level the playing field in regards to....literally everything in life?
Also I'm so sick of hearing "all women are discriminated against." .....Okay????? Yeah??? And??? Being a woman AND ugly just makes it that much worse. I thought they were all into mUh intersectionality but I guess not.
Edit addition: I actually hate the beauty industry but it doesn't change the hypocrisy (and audacity lmao) I'm talking about here.
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Not even femcel spaces are safe, because femcels attack one another too. I've noticed plenty of hate against older women and fat women among the femcels. It's like some femcels think bigotry is okay unless it's happening to them.
Same with feminists. Feminism is as divided by class as any other movement, with looks being the prime criterion for determining female value, but nobody wants to admit this. Either they lack self-awareness, or they're secretly glad someone is lower on the totem pole than they are and has to to take more bullshit, but they don't want to admit it because they know that admitting it would mean having to admit they aren't such good people as they pretend.
I understand why femcels can get upset at fat women because most men are dumb enough to believe femcel=fat and therefore you could ascend simply with diet and exercise. Most femcels wish it were that easy and therefore being fat and complaining about mistreatment is a form of entitlement and privilege.
Um, no, there isn't any valid excuse to be a fat-hating bigot. Sorry if I wasn't clear about that. The idea that fat is some easy condition to change with a little diet / exercise is completely false, yet society clings to it because it loves to blame the people it discriminates against for their own discrimination.
When did I say it was okay to hate fat people you’re putting words in my mouth.
Please be critical and realistic with your own statements.
Please improve your reading skills and work on your bigotry. I'm done with you, personally.
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Because lookism extends BEYOND patriarchy and feminism. Even if we all lived in a feminist utopia better-looking men and women would recieve better treatment.
Also a lot of these women don't want to face the objective reality that:
Common Scenario A) Their "luck" and "intelligence" in life was actually due to their looks and subsequent popularity with men and women.
Rare Scenario B) They aren't actually as attractive as they think they are, and by abandoning any looksmaxxing they have made their lives harder than they predicted.
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Because a bunch of sexual harassment and random stalkers doesn't really feel like a privilege, and there's no way to be grateful for that. Passive privileges like being treated better, being given the benefit of the doubt, not having to worry about your appearance as much (unless your own standards are high af or you have body dysmorphia or an eating disorder) are hard to notice (especially if you were treated like crap so you didn't get to milk any of that! but you still have to recognize that had you looked worse, the mistreatment would've been worse as well!).
Idk it just feels very obvious that pretty privilege does exist but most women would rather be invisible and they think being ugly might make them invisible, but it really doesn't, every woman gets sexually harassed, pretty or not, and we know it, but pretty girls get targeted by different types of men than ugly girls sometimes, then there's men who target any female in their radius. But they have no way of noticing that unless they sit and listen to a looooot of people, and most normies don't really invest the time in constantly lurking reddit or spaces like this tbh, most people are busy (and hey, being busy and having a social life might be a privilege too! idk tbh I personally don't enjoy it as much as I feel I should)
Then not so good looking girls know they get sexually harassed as well, and also treated like crap, but pretty women also face these things, just to a different extent, and depending on the woman, it manifests differently for you, and a lot of people would choose to be good-looking just because, because overall, it's a net positive, and a lot of good-looking women are invested in the lie that they have to be humble about it so they can't recognize that despite all the problems they have, being good-looking is still a thing most people would choose in a heartbeat
I personally think people just get defensive about it because of that, because they can't relate to each other, even though they have a lot of similar problems, specially when young
I don't think it's particularly divisive to just recognize it exists? but that it also comes with some problems? But yeah people seem to get defensive every time it's brought up
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They are delusional and privileged if many think that. They can give up makeup and feel they can dress whatever and still be treated as human on the surface at least
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They don't want to think a part of their accomplishments is their looks. Its bruises their ego. If you don't like makeup, surgery industry ect, then it makes no sense to deny pretty privilege exist. What is makeup, surgery ect if not to make women more attractive? You can't complain about one while denying the other. Its clusterfuck in my opinion.
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Most radfems aren’t critical thinkers and operate on a post truth framework
Post-truth is:
It’s not just radfems as post-truth framework is very common.
It’s uncomfortable to some normie and Stacy radfems to acknowledge nuanced conclusions that don’t align with thier personal feelings/experience. Also their opinion doesn’t contradict with public opinion (because femcels are a minority that don’t have a voice in the online sphere because imagine making a tik tok video as a femcel 1�7. Hahaha)
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funny how people will go on and on about racism,sexism, ableism, transphobia etc but the second you mention lookism they act as if it's fabricated bullshit, so what? race on some levels is fabricated bullshit, the Irish were white physically and geographically, didn't stop their oppression from happening
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Because pretty women get beat, raped, killed, denied work just the same.
I really don't see why radfem spaces would discuss lookism. It makes no difference to our cause.
Even these body acceptance campaigns are libfem. We know what we look like doesn't inherently matter.
And yes, femcel spaces are the best to discuss women's looks. Y'all really don't realize how superficial y'all are to those outside your subs.
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