If people can't even do as much as lose weight, it means the mistreatment was never as worse for them as it was for me. I basically risked my life going under knife cause this is not a way to live. Years of discrimination left me with a bunch of mental illnesses, underemployment and complete isolation.
I consider fat women normies who're couple months away from writing the amazing femcel ascension stories.
Are fat women assaulted? As far as I can tell cowardish LVM are afraid of heavy women (they're physically stronger than me).
Do fat people have problems making friends? I think they're perceived as more approachable because a) pretty faces b) their fat means they're weak/have common human flaws through which others can bond with them meanwhile butterfaces are just a reminder of how cruel nature is and how unfair people are for hating uggos who have no control over their looks.
Any pretty fat woman is treated better than any skinny butterface. My mom is in her 50s and weighs 300lbs, men are way nicer to her, and avoid me like a plague. It's like I'm a different specie.
What about work and studying? Ugly people are perceived as less professional in general (horn effect). With fat women there's at least hope they can lose weight.
I don't mind anyone calling themselves femcels, but lookism is different for fat women and butterfaces. The only thing fat women complain about is their lack of dating prospects (much like ugly men). I watched the video posted here from fat women in their 20s crying over being called fat for the first time in their life. Excuse me what about previous 20 years? Were they ever bullied, excluded, discriminated, had no one to rely onto, because of smth they can't change?
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While i do agree with this we have to take into account that not all fat women are a monolith and some fat women were ex-butterfaces who let go of their weight because they already had ugly faces so they didnt see the point in taking care of their weight.
Yes there are fat stacys but we have to take into account that fat women who became fat due to being ugly do exist and i think of them as fellow femcels
I wasn’t talking about sad butterfaces who eat away their sorrows. Although you sound as if getting fit can only be done for male pleasure. What about active hobbies, running away from robbers and the whole taking care of your health?
Women who identify as fat here know their weight is the only thing holding them back. Same way I only write about my face cause my small boobs, for example, are not the reason for mistreatment.
They remind me of fat girls who I saw clinging to stacies irl or former fat women on FDS who jump ship the second they're accepted by the society and start attacking femcels. They know they;re close to normalcy. That's why they behave like normies, hate femcels, don't understand our struggles etc. and thus write a lot of delusional BS. I saw someone here writing that they were picked last in gym (ONCE) and that's apparently the prove of the horrible discrimination (even though overweight people are objectively bad at cardio so it was just fair). Or the tik-toks with fat girls complaining about dates who stood them up or called them fat. Why is it always a revelation to them? I've been called ugly since 3rd grade. You know how many dates stood me up?
The dating troubles and the cow-calling is one thing, but I could have made my peace with it if not for lookism at workplace and being hindered everywhere in my daily life. I have no common ground with fat girls, they're not rejected from the society unlike me and they can't relate to my life of being abused. Everytime a fat woman says smth it’s always another resentment towards shallow men, lookism is not a question of survival for them as it is for butterfaces.
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You'll probably get downvoted to hell, but you're right.
I have an underbite and so my front teeth fall behind my lower teeth when it should be the opposite. This anomaly also makes my face kind of weird, with a prominent jaw and huge under eyes circles. All in all, I look very manly. I also have hormonal acne and if untreated, it always comes back, even though I'm almost 30 years old. It's not only my face, but also my body almost fully covered in zits and red spots. My birth control stopped working so in the last few months my acne reappeared. I fight against it since I was 10 years old. My underbite started being noticeable since I was in elementary school. So you can imagine I was being bullied since I was like 6-7 years old, and for something I couldn't even control. When I hit puberty, I started gaining weight so on top of that I was fat too. And you know what? When I was like 17-18 I went on a diet because I wanted to get better, and while it wasn't easy, it was the easiest thing I did to try and change my looks for the better. It was literally just eating less and moving more. I didn't have to spend crazy amounts of money on expensive shit nor did I have to go through something weird. So I can't even begin to understand how is that these girls, that literally the only thing they have to do is to lose weight, apparently can't and call themselves femcels when the solution is under their full control (unless they have some medical condition that impedes it, that's right. But don't try to make me believe the majority of the fat people have these, when in reality the ones with medical conditions are a minority). You can complain to me when you have something in your face/body that you can't change, or can only be changed with expensive plastic surgery. Something that's beyond your control. But when it's something fully under your control like your weight, it feels like you're just choosing to be ugly. I'd give anything to have that option. But I don't.
I'm sorry, but don't have any kind of sympathy for women claiming to be ugly when really, they're just fat. Weight can, in most cases, be changed. An ugly face, in most cases, can't.
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I found this site because I wanted a place to bond with other lonely single women and one of the first posts is about dragging down a marginalized group by devaluing their pain? Yikes. Yes, fat women get harassed. Rape is not a crime of passion. No, most fat women are not just a couple months away from ascension (new to this community but it sounds like that means the point where they are dateable?)
As a fat person who lost enough weight to be a “normal” BMI four years ago and gained it all back (because that is how intentional weight loss almost always works, otherwise the diet industry wouldn’t be so lucrative), I can tell you that losing the weight does not change who you are as a person. If you had body image issues when fat, you’ll still have them when skinny. People will tell you you’re “too tiny” but most people will tell you you look amazing and then when you gain the weight back, the compliments stop, and because your self worth was tied to your weight/image, your self esteem will tank even lower than it was before, because now you KNOW that as a fat person you are less desirable; it’s no longer just a theory. Unless you can change your view of yourself and learn to accept yourself, which is insanely difficult.
I’m not sure why it’s necessary to say fat people have it easier, just to prove that a butterface does not. As a fat person I’ve spent most of my life wishing I could just be skinny with an ugly face and solve my problems with some makeup. The grass is always greener.
The grass is not greener. There is no way you would actually want to be a “butterface”, or skinny with an ugly face vs the other option outlined in OP’s post. They may have been a bit crass but they’re not wrong, and it’s not about overweight people in general, it’s about a specific type of overweight person who has the appearance potential that an ugly person never will. If you are an ugly person who is also overweight, this does not apply to you.
I’ve been both too heavy and too thin and there is nothing worse than an ugly face, no matter what weight you are. (My body also has issues unrelated to weight, which weight gain or loss will never fix.) The fact that you actually think this is a “grass is greener” situation tells me that you have some delusional thought processes going on. And I’m not sure what you mean to imply in saying that your situation is “no longer just a theory”...so what situation are you saying is a theory?? Having an ugly face in this society?
Body image issues do not always equate to objective reality, you are on the lookism sub which relates to how people are treated based on their immutable characteristics. Weight is not at the top of that list, as it is technically changeable (loose skin or permanent effects from weight gain are a different story).
This is not about how you see yourself even after weight loss, or yo-yo-ing back and forth. This is about how you actually look and how others perceive you via said looks, how they then treat you accordingly. You never said whether you consider yourself attractive or not, outside of your weight issue, so it’s difficult to gauge where exactly you are coming from. However, if you are a pretty girl or an average looking girl who is saying you would rather be ugly and skinny than fat and pretty, then you are being extremely insulting on top of being dishonest. You can always lose the weight, but the ugly girl, no matter her size, can’t always lose the ugly. You may find difficulty in losing it or maintaining, but it’s still within your control and always a possibility at your own fingertips. There is power in that, power that an ugly person-skinny or otherwise-does not possess. You need to respect that fact.
At the same time, of course overweight people get shit for being overweight, nobody is denying that, and I do not tolerate it any more than I tolerate any other degree of lookism. Because I know that weight gain can often come from an emotional place, or stem from other factors that are difficult to control. Still, being ugly is another beast entirely, they are not equal in the slightest. I don’t think this post was about dragging a marginalized group (what do you think ugly people are?), I’m guessing it more has to do with the fact that pretty/fat people often times conflate their weight with being ugly, when it’s not remotely the same thing, and it’s far and away preferable from being ugly and having nothing-outside of drastic, expensive and risky surgery-you can do about it. Even the body acceptance movement is mostly headed by beautiful faced overweight people, all bodies are welcome-as long as you have a good face.
I can’t tell you what I would do for the path to prettiness to be as simple and in my control as the path to being a healthy weight. That would be a miracle to me, but no amount of hard work and effort or dieting will get me there, and that’s a huge difference that you should not deny. It doesn’t mean that being overweight doesn’t have its own detriments, or that your realization that losing weight brings you more positive attention, isn’t accurate (it is).
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especially nowdays being thicc is popular, any size 8 woman who is curvy and has a conventionally attractive face is going to be treated way better than a skinny woman with a ugly face and flat body, fat women complain all day about men not being attracted to them but we are the ones associated with incels despite not having their toxic blaming others for not being attracted to them ideology
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Absolutely agree. I've technically ascened to normie status (took a lot of soft looksmaxxing) but my face is inherently still shit. I met up with a friend today and she took random pics of me without me knowing and.. guess what, I'm still fucking ugly. It really is only the face that matters. The body is secondary, always, especially in meaningful, long-lasting and genuine relationships. You can be borderline anorexic, absolutely obese or anything inbetween, people will still try to kiss your ass and praise you to the lords if your FACE is a 10/10. My body isn't even perfect, it's pear shape and I have really small boobs but I'm not getting treated like shit for it, indeed I get complimented... but do you know how low of a value these compliments are? I'd rather be compliment for my beauty (face), my talents, my good deeds and my character, not my ass or thighs. It's just low caliber and I will never understand why people don't get this. These type of compliments just confirm to me that you're merely viewed as a (sex) object and nothing more. There's a reason why sex workers, prostitutes, pornstars etc. aren't exactly popular... in the real world. They're only popular to horny men and women who are mentally going through some shit.
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