There are now, what, six different articles about femcels floating around different media websites? This is a message to anyone who found their way to thepinkpill through those articles.
What the articles don't stress is that objective beauty absolutely exists, and so does objective ugliness.
Femcels are defined by ugliness. Real ugliness. It's not in our heads. We don't have BDD. We are just ugly and unattractive. Being an ugly and unattractive woman doesn't make you a bad person though. Yet society collectively likes to think so.
Certain aspects of the femcel experience (social shunning, loneliness, bullying, lookism etc.) are relatable, but just because you have experienced them at times does not automatically make you a femcel.
To repeat: femcels are women who are objectively ugly. "Ugly" is often used as an insult towards women, but here we use it as an objective truth. Femcels will have extreme difficulty getting a serious boyfriend/girlfriend and the vast majority will never marry due to their looks. If you were able to get a boyfriend in the past/present and have had men ask you out, you are not a femcel. You are most likely a normie or low tier normie. The only time I was asked out by a boy was in middle school as a joke. He couldn't even finish asking me because he was laughing so hard.
Study after study has shown that Beauty is NOT in the eye of the beholder. Even six month old human infants can differenate between "ugly" faces and "beautiful" faces. No one is teaching these infants that beautiful faces are more interesting or nicer. Six month old babies don't even understand language or have control of their bodily functions yet they can tell when someone is hot or not. The infants are instinctively more interested in the beautiful faces and less interested in the ugly faces. Beauty is an instinct.
Beauty also transcends race. Beautiful women and handsome men look similar to other beautiful women and handsome men of other races. This is because all humans find certain traits attractive no matter what race someone is. Examples are: positive canthal tilt, symmetrical face, wide palate smile, straight nose bridge, etc. If you look at a group of beautiful women from different races they will look like multi-racial cousins. Their facial proportions will be the same, even if the particular features are different. Seriously, it looks like they all had the same grandmother or something.
To measure beauty we often use the 1 to 10 scale, with 1 being extremely ugly and 10 being extremely beautiful. The 1 to 10 scale is NOT like a school assignment where you need at least a 7/10 to get a normal grade. Most people you will see on a daily basis are 5/10. This is because looks are distributed along a bell curve like this: https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-xJ0ppilYqPc/UWL97BNIc0I/AAAAAAAAAVs/L_EewLX9lW8/s1600/hs.png
A score of 5/10 is a normal score.
However femcels are women who are 3/10 and below. Femcels will recieve harassment from men and women alike, and even the occasional child. Plastic surgery (aka "hardmaxxing") is needed to improve a femcel's looks. Makeup, skincare, fashion, and hair are NOT enough.
Men admit in private that they are unable to maintain an erection for women they consider 3/10 and below. This is why incels do not want to date femcels. They are not physiologically aroused by us. Even if they still attempt to have sex with us, they will be imagining a different woman in their head. This is where many "paper bag" jokes come from. See: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=paper%20bagging
Femcels are also not "butterfaces." In addition to having unattractive faces, we have unattractive bodies as well. "Butterfaces" will generally qualify as a type of low tier normie/regular normie.
Women who are considered 4/10 (aka "low tier normies") will have overlapping experiences with femcels. However low tier normies will be able to "softmaxx" using hair, makeup, skincare, and fashion to live a normalish life and gain a normalish boyfriend/husband/girlfriend/wife. Visit 
+PinkPilledNormies for additional discussion.
Please note: Using the 1 to 10 scale to rate yourself is NOT sexist! Men are just as easy to rate on the 1 to 10 scale like women. The 1 to 10 scale is the best way to convey your attractiveness without revealing your face online. Revealing your face online leaves you susceptible to doxxing and extreme harassment. No scale is going to be a perfect objective measure of beauty, but they are usually only 1-2 points off at their worst.
Example of the 1 to 10 scale for women:
Examples of the 1 to 10 scale for men:
Feel free to disagree with me, but please recognize that there are features that are objectively beautiful and there are features that are objectively ugly for both men and women.
Trying to gaslight an ugly women into believing she's normal or even beautiful is cruel when so much of a woman's life depends on how attractive she is. Recognizing we are ugly is not sexist. I think it's more sexist to demand that every woman on earth think of herself as beautiful despite all evidence to the contrary.
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it's not about being ''involuntarily celibate'', as men will pretty much fuck anything, even without talking about the quality of the relationship getting a boyfriend doesn't fix ugliness and lookism, the only way out of ''femceldom'' is becoming at least a normie, probably through surgery because stuff like skincare and haircare don't do anything when you got an ugly face.
True, perhaps we need a new name? Violating and traumatizing one night stands are options that we technically have, but it's like eating poisoned food in order not to starve. Incels can get sex from gay men at any time. Why don't they? Perhaps it's because they know it's degrading to have one night stands with someone who only wants to use you as a fleshlight?
Maybe we should make a "pink paper bag" sub or "uggo" sub with a focus on ugly anatomy instead of sex.
I wish we just had a name centering more on physical attractiveness so people don't make the ''men will fuck anything'' argument, considering this is the only place on the internet where women can talk about ugliness without it being a taboo, and it would separate us from those pedos and shooters.
I think
+Lookism works!
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Thank you lol!! You should make your own post too!!
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I think using the
+Lookism sub more is a great idea!!
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hell yes, louder for the normie Beckies, journalists and scrotes in the back
🙌👐🤲👏👋
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What about those of us who are physically disabled? I think I'm "plain Jane" enough if I just put up face photos on a dating app... But the second that men see I'm in a wheelchair, it's like I'm subhuman and don't exist. Not just men either! Not to mention... My mum cares for me and I can't go anywhere or do anything by myself. I'm definitely involuntarily celibate.
Yes, you can qualify as a femcel or femcel-adjacent. There's a chance a man will like you enough to commit, but it's a low chance. Don't give up, if I were you I would make it obvious that you are in a wheelchair from the first pictures on your dating profile, so you only talk to men who are serious.
To be honest I'm 35 years old, I don't think a guy is going to take a chance on me now :( But thank you for your support xx
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Those white bdd beckies ruined the term femcel 😒
On the old glow up subs it was ridiculous how much they would post their "ugly" faces. Then they would get offended if you said they were a 5/10 or 6/10.
I can see how people would mistakenly lump them in with us if they didn't do their research.
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Yes thank you this is an awesome post . The fact we are ugly it's no in our heads people have treated us like trash through our lives
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This is a grade A post 👌 needs to be pinned.
I agree! pinned
Thank you!! 🙈
It's a work of art, tbh. Thank YOU! ❤❤❤
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Thank you!! 😃
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To be honest, I'm suprised there isn't already huge epidemy of femcels. Young girls these days are not only bombarded everyday with huge beauty standards from traditional media, they also have to deal with internet media such as Instagram/Onlyfans/Tiktok/Twitch/porn sites and many others. I feel so sorry for them.
Sexlessness is increasing. 1/3 of insta and tiktok users report bdd.
Male depravity and standards are through the roof. So even if all the girls became their best selves and stopped looking at social media, the male options are disgusting. They want anal from a plastic surgery enhanced porn star. They can't get it up for regular human women anymore.
So women are saying "no thanks".
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Yeah there are definitely mentalcels among us. The most downvoted comment on this post is from a straight up Stacy. That's why I like using the chart, because it snaps the Beckys and Stacys back to reality for a little while.
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i wonder if i always was in normie-territory because you said that someone who has a decent body can not be considered a femcel, even though the first 21 years of my life i was definitely treated like a femcel until i softmaxxed in my 20s and reached low-tier-normie. and still, it didn't change a whole lot but reaching low-tier-normie at least got me SOME experience with guys (even if it was ingenuine) and proper socialization. but as of now, i feel like i've gone back to femcel status, at least mentally and due to my circumstances.
Yes, you might have been a low tier normie or a 3.5/10. There's still overlap and you're still impacted by lookism but you're not a "witch" like me who is over 30 and still a virgin. Attractiveness can also change from year to year based on different factors like you detailed. If you have zero male attention and outright disgust from men now you probably have slipped back into femcel status.
I'm 25 and also still a virgin.... I'm not sure what it entails, but I was totally ignored and invisible and called ugly several times, throughout my life until I decided to softmaxx somewhat, I was still a bit naive because I was in a pickme phase/desperate but I realized that men are not worth it...
We are in this together 💗
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Thank you <3 honestly, it's not even that great, it would be considered a secondary option next to hourglass... it's just I got a pear shape with really small boobs and a big bum... I was sexualized during my teens by my peers, fucking hated it.
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idk if im 3 or 4 because im fit ( people call me fat but my bmi is 23 ) but ive been called ugly many times by all kinds of males even the ugly ones i look uglier with makeup on i hate how i look to the point i deleted all my pics i don’t have any pics of myself now i can’t handle looking at my face
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does it bother anyone else that the first attractiveness scale for men literally includes a man who looks like he is a 14 year old with a cracking voice in the 8/10 row? The one with the purple collar. It looks like once again the standards are overall just lower for men. Also it was insulting how the attractiveness scale for women just decided that ugly women have appallingly bad hygiene. Jesus fucking Christ
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"Femcels are defined by ugliness."
Um, by definition a femcel = female involuntarily celibate, someone who is celibate but doesn't want to be. And that's it. Can be for many reasons.
I'm not sure what would limit a woman's sexual options other than her attractiveness though? Men proudly disdain ugly women online. We are "boner-killers".
There are certain instances where an ugly woman has a man marry her, but it's rare. Usually it happens in strict religious communities.
What would prevent a normie woman from getting into a normal relationship? Can you explain more? Are you talking about mentalcels? Are are you talking about a normal woman with bad luck? I guess a normal woman with bad luck in relationships is technically involuntarily celibate. But her situation is not a life sentence. It's more like a dry spell.
I'm talking about "trufemcels" with genetic conditions and ugly anatomy instead of situational normies who fall into the femcel category due to bad luck. Perhaps I should have clarified. What other reasons were you thinking of?
Disabilities? Maybe they make me "ugly". Realistically I suppose that's how men consider it
The majority of men are not empathetic or caring. They run away at the thought of taking care of someone who needs assistance. If you have trouble dating due to your disability you can consider yourself a femcel or femcel adjacent even though you are facially a normie. You are welcome here!
Thank you 💜 I really appreciate it, and I'm glad that I count - I know I'm not in exactly the same situation as many of you, but I feel so hard what so many of you say - just for slightly different reasons. Men really are awful
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let me enlighten you then.
I don't desire men that I don't feel connected to emotionally. It's all communicating vessel system. I cannot get turned on and it feels like rape. I've tried once being sexual with a man I was not inlove with. I ended up disgusted with myself and I've thrown the lingerie in the nearest bin when we got out of hotel. That was a really nice black lace corset and Victoria's Secret panties. I just didn't want to ever remind myself of this event. The guy wasn't even gross or old, he was short but hot. Middle East / Italian type. It felt just bad.
I've tried anything more times and I felt just as disgusted with myself. Like I wanted a shower immediately to wash him off me and erase my memory.
And since men don't create circumstances where I would fall in love - I was never really asked out, never really courted, they text me eggplant emoji instead of nice romantic, gramatically correct texts - I can either be disgusted with myself or celibate.
This dry spell lasts 28 years, lady. I was in bed with men I liked 3 times in my life. One used me for sex. Second was friends with his ex and I had to end it quickly before looking like a clown. Third was talking about Stacies in front of me.
hm, I'm hitting the wall, so, it IS a life sentence. No sex before 30 pretty much guarantees no sex after 30.
Isn't this due to your looks though? How attractive would you rate yourself from 1 to 10 with the chart as reference? Stacys get the romantic circumstances and love from men. Men put in effort for beautiful women. Ugly women and low tier normies just get harassed for sex and used as fleshlights. Normal women can occasionally experience this as well.
If you can't have sex unless you have a strong emotional connection, and no man is interested in forming a strong emotional connection with you due to your below-average looks, then your problem just comes back to your looks in the end.
So, I think your looks contribute to your situation. You sound like a 4/10? Or would you consider yourself a 5/10 with bad luck?
that's funny you've mentioned that.
NO. NOT A 4. NOT A 5. How I looked like: pretty much like Mila Kunis / Saorsie Ronan / Sophie Ellis Bextor / Megan Fox. I mean no shit. I was always thin, natural C cup, very accentuated waist. Green eyes, brown hair, pale skin like all the ladies mentioned. My lips tho were thinner. One guy said I resemble Winona Ryder, but he was inlove with me (and 10 years older, ugh) - I don't resemble Winona Ryder, she has dark eyes, I'm green. We're the same height tho.
Now I got a lip lift + lip fillers and my lips are Angelina Jolie size so that **really **adds up to my looks. I get complimented by men on my lips often. Plus I got endoscopic brow lift. Yes I panic about my looks anyway.
I think I give off "nice girl who is just happy with a picnic and a walk and is not materialistic" vibe much. But I also give off vibe "you can walk over me" in general and people of both sexes don't respect me. I give off the librarian vibe (which is so untrue, I'm just elegant and...religious).
Second thing is, I live in Eastern Europe, where men assume you NEED a man, any man, some man. My ex bf said Bridget Jones diary is about a fatty who can't get herself a man. So, men suppose you would just be happy if you HAVE a man and are not labeled as a future crazy cat lady.
And no, I don't cope.
I was called pretty and beautiful many many times in my life by men. Sometimes men on Tinder ask me if I'm fake profile.
that's also funny of you to assume.
Men think strong emotional connection is texting me about bulshit all day or calling me every day with nothing funny or wise or anything to say or baby talk or sending me memes or links to instagram posts or inviting me for a weekend on the lakes and I hate nature.
It's the librarian vibe.
yes, I'm not a Jessica Alba level, obviously. But I beat Katy Perry.
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I can relate to you so much. Same goes for the many experiences femcels posted here. That's why I consider myself a femcel even if I'm "attractive". I can't seem to find someone to be interested in me long-term, because I don't feel comfortable sleeping with them too early on.
They don't get it: if you are not easy, even if you are beautiful or average, if you don't look like the "trends" or what's considered "hot" now and not follow the hook-up culture and are more reserved... oh well, you're fucked. You can be the most beautiful, it doesn't matter, no dude will wait for you in order to get sex.
I'm "attractive" as in the 1910-1940s sense so... modern dudes will see me as ugly, and the ones that seem "attracted" to me are sleazy creepy bastards with a fetish, that ghost me after 2 dates once they realize fucking isn't an option.
Regardless, another reason of why I consider myself a femcel is because, literally EVERYONE used me as their doormat, treated me like crap, from the teachers, to my family, my "friends" or people on the streets. I've had people comment on my hair, looks, clothes and so on.
I knew two girls in your shoes as well. I hate how some women here say to us "Oh, you must be ugly then", once they hear that we RELATE and EXPERIENCE the same shit. Nice, gaslighting there.
pretty women get ghosted all the time
https://www.tiktok.com/@fleeksie/video/7021801893894704390?is_from_webapp=v1&lang=en
yuh
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